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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Mark</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update:
&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Data-Robotics-DR04DD10-FireWire-Automated/product-reviews/B001CZ9ZEE/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_1?ie=UTF8&amp;showViewpoints=0" rel="nofollow"&gt;Despite the high average review score, a significant number of these Amazon Reviews seem to show a trend of problems with larger files.

I think someone summed it up quite well...

"BEWARE - It works great until it doesn't!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Data-Robotics-DR04DD10-FireWire-Automated/product-reviews/B001CZ9ZEE/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_1?ie=UTF8&amp;showViewpoints=0" rel="nofollow">Despite the high average review score, a significant number of these Amazon Reviews seem to show a trend of problems with larger files.</p>
<p>I think someone summed it up quite well&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;BEWARE - It works great until it doesn&#8217;t!&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Mark</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really impressed with the Drobo website and promotional Video and was going to buy one of these for my business. Thankfully I read this blog first. I guess anything that involves constantly swapping the same data across many drives is prone to problems over time if errors creep in ? 

A power outage at a key moment during the year or something like that could cause a corrupted disk and I'm guessing any corruption would then be backed up across all the drives and the problem magnifies over time. Jim Haney, who's unit caught fire in the post above, finished it for me. :-o

It's a real shame because the product does sound too good to be true. Unfortunately I guess it is. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really impressed with the Drobo website and promotional Video and was going to buy one of these for my business. Thankfully I read this blog first. I guess anything that involves constantly swapping the same data across many drives is prone to problems over time if errors creep in ? </p>
<p>A power outage at a key moment during the year or something like that could cause a corrupted disk and I&#8217;m guessing any corruption would then be backed up across all the drives and the problem magnifies over time. Jim Haney, who&#8217;s unit caught fire in the post above, finished it for me. :-o</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real shame because the product does sound too good to be true. Unfortunately I guess it is. :-(</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Pooh</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that email to contact me for the unwanted Drobo enclosure is poohspam~remove_this~@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that email to contact me for the unwanted Drobo enclosure is poohspam~remove_this~@yahoo.com</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Pooh</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Sorry to hear about your problems..  I was wondering if any of you who don't want their DROBO anymore, I would like to buy the enclosure off of you.. I just want the case.. The insides don't matter to me because I would like to use the case for a project. Please contact me if you would liek to get rid of your bad drobo. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Sorry to hear about your problems..  I was wondering if any of you who don&#8217;t want their DROBO anymore, I would like to buy the enclosure off of you.. I just want the case.. The insides don&#8217;t matter to me because I would like to use the case for a project. Please contact me if you would liek to get rid of your bad drobo. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by ollie</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember guys that the thousands of very happy people using drobo's are much less likely to come and blog about it in this manner.

Also remember drobo is not backup solution by its self, its a RAID. you should never trust your data solely in one location be it a single hard disk or a raid array. Things still can and will go wrong. Always have your data on at least two separate physical volumes, preferably in two different locations.

For the people that lost data permanently, that really sucks and i feel bad for you. I have personally lost almost a 1TB of un recoverable work data and my policy now is if it is not on two seperate disks and on a spindle of dvd's then its not yet backed-up and i should not be surprised if one day its all irretrievably gone. If that happens it will be my fault and not the drive or enclosure manufacturers as people are blaming here.

Data Robotics can and should be held accountable for peoples loss of time, money and earnings, but not the direct loss of anybody's data. They obviously need to improve thier tech support if they want to be taken seriously outside the consumer market, but as a new small company im sure they will get better. So far i have never had to call them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember guys that the thousands of very happy people using drobo&#8217;s are much less likely to come and blog about it in this manner.</p>
<p>Also remember drobo is not backup solution by its self, its a RAID. you should never trust your data solely in one location be it a single hard disk or a raid array. Things still can and will go wrong. Always have your data on at least two separate physical volumes, preferably in two different locations.</p>
<p>For the people that lost data permanently, that really sucks and i feel bad for you. I have personally lost almost a 1TB of un recoverable work data and my policy now is if it is not on two seperate disks and on a spindle of dvd&#8217;s then its not yet backed-up and i should not be surprised if one day its all irretrievably gone. If that happens it will be my fault and not the drive or enclosure manufacturers as people are blaming here.</p>
<p>Data Robotics can and should be held accountable for peoples loss of time, money and earnings, but not the direct loss of anybody&#8217;s data. They obviously need to improve thier tech support if they want to be taken seriously outside the consumer market, but as a new small company im sure they will get better. So far i have never had to call them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by ollie</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember guys that the thousands of very happy people using drobo's are much less likely to come and blog about it in this manner.

Also remember drobo is not backup solution by its self, its a RAID. you should never trust your data solely in one location be it a single hard disk or a raid array. Things still can and will go wrong. Always have your data on at least two separate physical volumes, preferably in two different locations.

For the people that lost data permanently, that really sucks and i feel bad for you. I have personally lost almost a 1TB of un recoverable work data and my policy now is if it is not on two seperate disks and on a spindle of dvd's then its not yet backed-up and i should not be surprised if one day its all irretrievably gone. If that happens it will be my fault and not the drive or enclosure manufacturers as people are blaming here.

Data Robotics can and should be held accountable for peoples loss of time, money and earnings, but not the direct loss of anybody's data. They obviously need to improve thier tech support if they want to be taken seriously outside the consumer market, but as a new small company im sure they will get better. So far i have never had to call them.

Ollie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember guys that the thousands of very happy people using drobo&#8217;s are much less likely to come and blog about it in this manner.</p>
<p>Also remember drobo is not backup solution by its self, its a RAID. you should never trust your data solely in one location be it a single hard disk or a raid array. Things still can and will go wrong. Always have your data on at least two separate physical volumes, preferably in two different locations.</p>
<p>For the people that lost data permanently, that really sucks and i feel bad for you. I have personally lost almost a 1TB of un recoverable work data and my policy now is if it is not on two seperate disks and on a spindle of dvd&#8217;s then its not yet backed-up and i should not be surprised if one day its all irretrievably gone. If that happens it will be my fault and not the drive or enclosure manufacturers as people are blaming here.</p>
<p>Data Robotics can and should be held accountable for peoples loss of time, money and earnings, but not the direct loss of anybody&#8217;s data. They obviously need to improve thier tech support if they want to be taken seriously outside the consumer market, but as a new small company im sure they will get better. So far i have never had to call them.</p>
<p>Ollie</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by OddyOh</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>OddyOh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for your data loss, sounds horrible.

I've had good luck with my Drobo so far, bought it in January 08, and I'm currently upgrading two of the four drives in it to bigger ones.  No problems so far, although the fan is really loud when it gets going.  I haven't had to deal with the company "support" yet, I hope that day never comes.

Data is not backed up unless it's backed up twice, I'll be looking for another storage solution to keep a second copy of all my data.  Drobo protects against a single drive failure, but not if your whole volume gets corrupt, or two drives fail, or god knows what else could go wrong.  But other than that, I've been very happy with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for your data loss, sounds horrible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had good luck with my Drobo so far, bought it in January 08, and I&#8217;m currently upgrading two of the four drives in it to bigger ones.  No problems so far, although the fan is really loud when it gets going.  I haven&#8217;t had to deal with the company &#8220;support&#8221; yet, I hope that day never comes.</p>
<p>Data is not backed up unless it&#8217;s backed up twice, I&#8217;ll be looking for another storage solution to keep a second copy of all my data.  Drobo protects against a single drive failure, but not if your whole volume gets corrupt, or two drives fail, or god knows what else could go wrong.  But other than that, I&#8217;ve been very happy with it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Eduardo</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, and first let me say that of all these stories the one where the drobo actually catches fire is fucking hilarious. poor bastard. one thing i though i should relate about purchasing new hard drives. I always use newegg b/c they have good customer service (had to return an lcd once that was defective) and their prices are very competitive. That said i always have them ship fedex air because UPS is not gentle with boxes. My first thought reading this was that if 3 bad drives out of three happen to someone they got banged up in shipping. Who knows, maybe the drobo actually did "break" the drives, but i doubt it. Either way, their customer service alone would make me hesitate. I mean it seems that you can't actually get anyone on the phone and have to wait (days!!!) for an email response. that's unacceptable to a company that is selling data storage devices. I mean come on, it sounds like you have to have a backup for your drobo which of course was the whole point of a drobo to begin with right? Thanks to all who related their nightmare and while i'm sorry for your loss, i'm very appreciative of the review as it helps protect future potential victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, and first let me say that of all these stories the one where the drobo actually catches fire is fucking hilarious. poor bastard. one thing i though i should relate about purchasing new hard drives. I always use newegg b/c they have good customer service (had to return an lcd once that was defective) and their prices are very competitive. That said i always have them ship fedex air because UPS is not gentle with boxes. My first thought reading this was that if 3 bad drives out of three happen to someone they got banged up in shipping. Who knows, maybe the drobo actually did &#8220;break&#8221; the drives, but i doubt it. Either way, their customer service alone would make me hesitate. I mean it seems that you can&#8217;t actually get anyone on the phone and have to wait (days!!!) for an email response. that&#8217;s unacceptable to a company that is selling data storage devices. I mean come on, it sounds like you have to have a backup for your drobo which of course was the whole point of a drobo to begin with right? Thanks to all who related their nightmare and while i&#8217;m sorry for your loss, i&#8217;m very appreciative of the review as it helps protect future potential victims.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Old Chicago - 13 May 09 @ TheVug</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Chicago - 13 May 09 @ TheVug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DO NOT BUY A DROBO!!: Including this great quote from the comments: &#8220;Wow, this sounds like an exact copy of my story, but mine ends with the darn thing catching on fire, and then and only then do they agree to send me a replacement.&#8221; http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] DO NOT BUY A DROBO!!: Including this great quote from the comments: &#8220;Wow, this sounds like an exact copy of my story, but mine ends with the darn thing catching on fire, and then and only then do they agree to send me a replacement.&#8221; <a href="http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/" rel="nofollow">http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Harvey Hector</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvey Hector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,
my name is Harvey and i read your story just before I was getting ready to order a drobo unit with x4 1.6T drives. I must admit that I’m a bit disappointed because this unit seems to be the answer that I've been looking for. Any suggestion on a reliable high capacity storage unit out there. Let me know!
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
my name is Harvey and i read your story just before I was getting ready to order a drobo unit with x4 1.6T drives. I must admit that I’m a bit disappointed because this unit seems to be the answer that I&#8217;ve been looking for. Any suggestion on a reliable high capacity storage unit out there. Let me know!<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Comparing Drobo and DroboShare to an OpenSolaris storage server &#171; Caffeinated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comparing Drobo and DroboShare to an OpenSolaris storage server &#171; Caffeinated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If the box fails for any reason, you have exactly one place to turn to for help (if you&#8217;re Bill Streeter, you&#8217;ll know exactly how true that is). You better hope your support contract is still good [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If the box fails for any reason, you have exactly one place to turn to for help (if you&#8217;re Bill Streeter, you&#8217;ll know exactly how true that is). You better hope your support contract is still good [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Nathan Fiedler</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Fiedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been using a first generation Drobo for the last year, but decided to migrate to a storage server running OpenSolaris. Nothing has gone wrong with my Drobo, I just finally realized that it's too risky to trust it with my data. Besides, it's really slow. The reason I went with OpenSolaris is that it has native ZFS support. ZFS is very reliable and has possibly the best RAID-like solution on the planet (disclosure, I work for Sun, but not on opensol or zfs). As for a proper RAID solution, I used to have one with a 3Ware card. The problem with those is the infamous RAID 5 "write hole" and the fact that they are just as proprietary as a Drobo. If the hardware controller fails, you will have a more difficult time getting your data back. With ZFS, if the box fails in some way, replace the bad part and you're good to go. Or, pull the drives and put them in another system that supports ZFS (Mac OS X, BSD, OpenSolaris). I'll be blogging with more details on this later, but I think that covers the gist of it. ZFS ROX!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been using a first generation Drobo for the last year, but decided to migrate to a storage server running OpenSolaris. Nothing has gone wrong with my Drobo, I just finally realized that it&#8217;s too risky to trust it with my data. Besides, it&#8217;s really slow. The reason I went with OpenSolaris is that it has native ZFS support. ZFS is very reliable and has possibly the best RAID-like solution on the planet (disclosure, I work for Sun, but not on opensol or zfs). As for a proper RAID solution, I used to have one with a 3Ware card. The problem with those is the infamous RAID 5 &#8220;write hole&#8221; and the fact that they are just as proprietary as a Drobo. If the hardware controller fails, you will have a more difficult time getting your data back. With ZFS, if the box fails in some way, replace the bad part and you&#8217;re good to go. Or, pull the drives and put them in another system that supports ZFS (Mac OS X, BSD, OpenSolaris). I&#8217;ll be blogging with more details on this later, but I think that covers the gist of it. ZFS ROX!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twitter Updates for Today by iConJohn</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2009/02/04/twitter-updates-for-today-297/comment-page-1/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>iConJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Years goal was to use less Twitter and read more blogs. Y Punk'd me Bill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Years goal was to use less Twitter and read more blogs. Y Punk&#8217;d me Bill!</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Nigel</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone interested in starting a lawsuit against these folks I'm interested.  I have two of these things and they have never worked reliably.  Tech support is no help.  I want my money back so that I can purchase another device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone interested in starting a lawsuit against these folks I&#8217;m interested.  I have two of these things and they have never worked reliably.  Tech support is no help.  I want my money back so that I can purchase another device.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DO NOT BUY A DROBO!! by Ed</title>
		<link>http://billstreeter.net/2008/03/18/do-not-buy-a-drobo/comment-page-1/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad I read this.  I was contemplating this to backup all my important stuff.  I'll just go ahead with a 3ware card and build another little tower.

Thanks.  At least your issues have cost DataRobotics a potential customer.  

Also, I noticed today that Drobe isn't available on Tiger, Newegg, Compusa, and a couple other sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I read this.  I was contemplating this to backup all my important stuff.  I&#8217;ll just go ahead with a 3ware card and build another little tower.</p>
<p>Thanks.  At least your issues have cost DataRobotics a potential customer.  </p>
<p>Also, I noticed today that Drobe isn&#8217;t available on Tiger, Newegg, Compusa, and a couple other sites.</p>
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